Another question about updates, is 5.5 not considered stable?

On this page, 5.4.2.2 is still mentioned as the stable version, looks a bit confusing imho :http://www.concrete5.org/developers/downloads/

Your awards is awesome remo,very cool inded
event a c5 veterean expert like you still not easy task to upgrade :)

i have a bad experience when upgrade to 5.4.2.2, after all i end-up build from zero again

now, i'm still very love with 5.4.2.2

Thanks, I just upgraded two sites from 5.3.1.1 to 5.5.0 and one from 5.4.2.1 to 5.5.0. It works fine but I had to run some steps manually which I expected to be done with a click or two.

Remo, Would be very interested in knowing what your findings are after looking. I have loaded on 5 sites and 4 of the 5 work fine. Since all was good on the 4 simple sites decided to add onto an eCommerce site that I have been wrestling with ever since.

http://www.concrete5.org/community/forums/customizing_c5/5.5-site-s...

Now I found out that the eCommerce add-on won't work with 5.5 and is in the process of being upgraded. Strangely enough if I add Miser, which also has not been upgraded, everything in the admin mode (not in other) works fine... even the eCommerce portion from what I can tell.

Can't imagine if everyone stated pushing an update button at this point. Ya I know that all add-ons have not been updated, appears only a handful have, and not confident they will work from site to site even if they are said to be updated to 5.5.

Nothing different here! Some add-ons haven't been updated yet, but luckily most add-ons we use work with 5.5 out of the box.

About your other issue with the JS loading issue, I'd say the same as Mnkras, I'd have to see that on a live site myself!

About my first question: Yeah, I'd understand if 5.5 wasn't available for "auto-update" but 5.4.2.2 was the latest version before 5.5 and it still shows 5.4.2.1 which I don't understand..

Remo, Thanks, Mike took some time looking at, but was unable to identify the problem. If you seriously are able to look at, I will PM you anything you need. Good question on the 5.4.2.1, guessing it is a miss in the scramble.

I'm about to look after my bed soon and won't be in tomorrow as I have to carry some furniture, but feel free to send me a PM. I just can't promise you anything!

Thanks, don't hurt your back on the furniture!

All these upgrade problems are incredibly frustrating, especially the fact that most of the add-ons don't work with v5.5 (and some may never work with 5.5). This is one of the reasons I gave up on Wordpress. Far too many problems with upgrades and outdated add-ons and themes.

It's too frustrating and risky to trust your site on add-ons that some dude living in his parent's basement designed and who may or may not keep it compatible with future versions of C5. I know the naysayers will come up with all kinds of excuses for why not, but shouldn't there be some way that C5 can better control the compatibility of C5 add-ons and themes?

On a much more positive note, huge congratulations to C5 for how well it did in the 2011 Open Source CMS Market Share Report, which among other very nice observations, stated that "Concrete5 had an exceptional year and remains a system to watch."

Scott

Scott,
To your remark, “It's too frustrating and risky to trust your site on add-ons that some dude living in his parent's basement designed…” Where are you coming from on this? Frankly, wish I was young again able to this, just like a majority of the tech industries great founders have! Not to mention the fact that under current economic conditions that dude, and will add lady, quite possibly could be in their 30’s or for that matter middle aged, or the fact that that’s how many of the great helpful experts on this forum started out.

While I have personally reached a high level of frustration with the site I am having problems with, it does not translate to your remarks here or in other threads. I am not a developer by trade, but am keenly aware of the surrounding complexities of change. You seem to be a fairly intelligent person who has a way with words, and portrays a level of confidence and success. For these reasons, thought I would mention that your out-of-the-blue attacks on the C5 team and folks on this forum appear to be annoying versus constructive. It is great to have agents of change who are passionate about the cause. However, in my experience I have found there can be a fine line between expressing what is personally gratifying and that what really influences real change among others.

I am not trying to invoke a squabble with you, in fact believe you were actually trying in this thread to express my frustration as well. Despite my frustration and belief that things should in fact be done differently, I do not want to have your overly negative opinions expressed over the last few weeks associated with my favorable opinion of C5, its team, or the folks on this forum, including those in their parent’s basement.

Open note from c5's unofficial "troll":

I'm actually a huge small biz advocate (i.e. I organized a successful small business conference on Capitol Hill a few years ago that was co-sponsored by a high-ranking member of Congress). In fact - and this is not an ad for my services - my day job is providing public relations services for innovative small businesses. But I, like a lot of small biz owners and advocates, am tired of businesses that deceptively market themselves as being very small biz friendly and/or their technology as being a cinch to implement and maintain.

Though a small biz advocate, it's very flawed how CMS providers and users of all sizes so rely upon tiny enterprises for their add-ons and themes. While such a system encourages a lot of creativity, it's problematic and unreliable at best. For example, C5 pushed out v5.5 even though they knew that MOST c5 add-ons weren't even close to being ready and won't be for awhile. As a result, most c5 sites shouldn't risk upgrading to 5.5, c5 add-on developers are frustrated with the timing of v5.5, and c5 end-users are left wondering about how c5 is being run.

Did you read today's announcement about the release of 5.5 (5.5 is out!)? It trumpets the release of 5.5 while at the same time having to warn that, "There's a lot of add-ons that haven't been updated to support it yet, so you should be thoughtful about upgrading a live site today…" So why the heck did c5 release it? As one c5 developer said, "Ummm... at a loss of words, who says something like that in a 'press release'"?

Unlike a lot of people on c5 forums, I'm not a developer trying to win a c5 popularity contest or badges or stickers. I also don't think small biz owners care how many c5 badges or stickers their web developer has. They just want a CMS and site that's user-friendly and reliable. Unfortunately, it's obvious that c5 users can expect a future of updates that are released so out of sync with their add-ons that their add-ons will be rendered temporarily or even permanently incompatible (c5 forums are littered with people having to drop everything to try and get their c5 add-ons and sites working again after upgrading to 5.5).

It's a farce to call the c5 community friendly when it gangs up on someone who dare points out c5's flaws and pushes for solutions. The c5 community comes off as a bunch of developers lacking the confidence, temperament or interest in dealing c5's problems or customer issues. C5 developers seem to be afraid to speak the truth and more concerned with being on c5's good side and getting more badges, than they to improving c5's success and user experience (i.e. nobody who criticized my posts seems interested in hearing what improvements biz owners want from c5; they're only concerned with silencing someone who's pushing for improvements biz owners need and want).

These reactions from C5's team and developers are scarily similar to the ones I've heard ad nauseam from Wordpress fanatics the last year or so. The main difference being that Wordpress fanatics at least have the numbers to back up their arrogance (disclaimer: I am no fan of Wordpress).

Let's try this, before criticizing my criticisms, how about making this thread useful and instead post what features and problems you think c5 has and should make a priority? I know that isn't as fun or easy as taking shots at someone from the safety of a keyboard, but it's the stuff c5 developers should be spending their limited time and energy on.

Happy new year

Scott, c5's unofficial troll

http://www.concrete5.org/tools/get_latest_version_number

It still says 5.4.2.1 so I still cannot auto upgrade on my install. If 5.4.2.2 was a stable release some time ago why is this not updated? From a beginners perspective it is confusing, I can see that I can manually force it but feel I should not becuase the official number is still 5.4.2.1.

It's annoying, as I installed a 5.4.2.1 copy first on my local machine to test my theme, then installed later on at the server and that version was 5.4.2.2 from initial install.

There are a number of posts in the forum about this, how about an official response?

That's an oversight and we will clean it up when we release 5.5.1 on monday.

Cool, thanks!