v5.6 vs v8

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We spent over 3000 hours building our site on v5.6. is their any documentation that shows the benefits of using v8 over v5.6. once we launch it will be hard to upgrade, if upgrading is possible with 2000 pages, hundreds of custom attributes, and a ton of coding.

theguideus
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hutman replied on at Permalink Reply
hutman
I don't think there is a clear comparison of the two anywhere, but here are a few of the things that I know off hand.

1) 5.8 supports PHP 7 out of the box, 5.6 does not, but can be modified
2) 5.8 supports layouts based on framework columns, 5.6 does not
3) 5.6 has less bugs and there are some features you can find in 5.6 that are not yet into 5.8

The upgrade process will not be easy, there is no direct upgrade so you will have to more or less rebuild the site with 5.8 and then use the migration tool (https://www.concrete5.org/community/forums/customizing_c5/5.6-to-5.7-migration-now-available) to move your content. Before you use the migration tool you'll have to re-create all of the custom pieces on your site, you can not install a 5.6 package on 5.7+ sites without quite a bit of updating. Also, any add-ons you have purchased will have to be re-purchased for the new version and might not have been updated yet.
chemmett replied on at Permalink Reply
chemmett
In addition to hutman's list, there's also the completely rewritten editing interface, and from a coding standpoint, the way you include assets like js/css files from blocks and themes in 5.7+ is greatly improved over 5.6. However after working with both versions and doing migrations I would absolutely not recommend trying to upgrade a site that large at this point. There's no direct upgrade path: you'd have to recreate all the pages and re-do all your code to use namespaces and conform to the updated Concrete5 API.

For small sites this isn't that hard and the improvements are worth it. But for a project of that size, you're much better off sticking with 5.6. It's a fine, stable product and still gets bug fixes and improvements here and there.
JohntheFish replied on at Permalink Reply
JohntheFish
As far as visitors are concerned, themes make a bigger difference than core versions. So don't update for your visitors benefit because there won't be any.

As well as the edit and dashboard interface differences, the whole 5.7 and v8 programming environment is different (and is still evolving). For most part-time developers, v8 is a lot harder to develop code for. For a really scary example, look in the v8 docs about styling express forms and compare that to providing a simple alternate view template for a form block in 5.6.
ramonleenders replied on at Permalink Reply
ramonleenders
Using 8.x over 5.6 is a matter of;

- Do I need the new features in version 8?
- Do I want to re-code all the things needed, since it's a whole different code base and lots of code will not work as with the existing 5.6 site?
- What is my budget (be it the hours you want to code yourself or the amount of $$ you'd like to spend)?
- Will the site be live for another few years (even after the upgrade)?
- Am I scared my site will not work in the near future (as said, 5.6 will not work out of the box with PHP7 and higher, and most hosting will update automatically and therefore cause your site to crash since the day this PHP version is served)?

Version 8 is a complete overhaul and structure (and code) wise a very good improvement (meets the current coding standards). 5.6 is outdated by now but some just prefer the way it works over the current version(s).
theguideus replied on at Permalink Reply
theguideus
So if I stuck with my current site v5.6. how much work would be required per year just to keep it up to date as far as PHP, security, etc.?
ramonleenders replied on at Permalink Reply
ramonleenders
That's the thing... currently there is no official 5.6 release that supports PHP7. The community is trying to get it done theirselves, but it requires some work to make it fully operational. And then... it depends on what third party Add-Ons your 5.6 install is using whether these work or won't work with the new PHP7 version. So conclusion is that you're not sure how much work it will be to get it working, as each and every site is different. A vanilla concrete5 5.6 install basically requires much less work than one which has custom work on it.

Once everything has been done to make it work on PHP7, there's no way to know when a new PHP version is coming out that will yet again make things go "Kaboom!" so-to-speak. It's a technological world after all and one can't forsee the future.

Security issues will be released as patches they said, but I don't know if they will (ever) make an official release to support PHP7 (and higher).
JohntheFish replied on at Permalink Reply
JohntheFish
Is the site on a private server or on shared hosting?

If its on a private server, the whole environment is under your control, so you don't need to be concerned with a shared host platform imposing php7 on a you.
ramonleenders replied on at Permalink Reply
ramonleenders
Oh yeah, so true. I was thinking it was shared, if not, then you can stick with the latest PHP 5.x version.
frz replied on at Permalink Best Answer Reply
frz
Saw this post earlier in the week and realized that while there's quite a bit of info spread across old forum posts, there isn't a single good write up on why version 8 is great.

Here's a pretty thoughtful list of features and reasons to use concrete5 and not concrete5 legacy:

https://marketing.concrete5.org/about/blog/core-roadmap/concrete5-le...