When will Concrete 5 make a version where I never have to upgrade it again?

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If like the version I had and I like my site and then months later when I log in my site is barely functional I'm curious if concrete 5 will ever have a version for non-web people who like the site they made on the version that took them hundreds of hours to learn concrete 5 on in the first place and who never want to have to upgrade an add-on or a C5 version again?

Pleasseee!!!!

pdxscott
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Steevb replied on at Permalink Reply
Steevb
You always have the option to NOT upgrade.
pdxscott replied on at Permalink Reply
pdxscott
I wish that were true but when I went to log in this last time many of my plug-ins didn't work and the editing toolbar at the top of my site when I logged in to add a page the toolbar was gone. I cleared the cache, did all the usual things, etc, and nothing. I could only get to the dashboard by manually entering the web address for it no ability to edit at all, then I upgraded the version and I still can't edit any of my pages. The other two answers say the opposite of yours so I'm not sure who's right?

What if you are not a website business, like maybe a bagel shop or a convenience corner store and just need to throw a simple 3 page website up online just to have one and you never want to it to break or disappear or change it, that is not an option in concrete 5 it sounds like, right?

And thanks so much for your answer!

scott

kempirepacific.com
mckoenig replied on at Permalink Reply
mckoenig
I got many old installations of C5 running for my clients who chose not to update and everything works as expected. And why shouldn't it? If you don't update anything nothing will change. If you update plugins they may be broken, yes. But if you don't (and the server doesn't change, too) you can use your old C5 installation for all eternity.
pdxscott replied on at Permalink Reply
pdxscott
It was a CloudFlare issue, had to put into developer mode, disable, then re-enable it and it's fine now and I can see the editing toolbar. Thanks so much for your response cause now I know NOT to upgrade the add-ons for some of my other sites so that way they won't break and theoretically the code should just stay as is forever and the site should work. I hope, but it makes sense to me so thanks buddy!
ltinnel replied on at Permalink Reply
Never. It's software written by imperfect people, so it's flawed. Hackers will find ways in, so patches must be provided. Plus they need to add features, otherwise when competing tools come out, people will jump ship and go to the other tool.

Of course, you can always choose to not upgrade, but that would be ill advised. Do you refuse to upgrade your O/S when patches and versions come out?
pdxscott replied on at Permalink Reply
pdxscott
No I just have a small business that is not internet based. I want to have a website like I did and never have to change it. If it gets hacked i'll deal with it and of course I update my O/S - because i don't have an internet based business and don't even login in to change my website even once every 6 months, those are an apples and oranges comparison and completely different.
mhawke replied on at Permalink Reply
mhawke
I have found that upgrading a broken site is generally a bad idea. The thing that is broken doesn't usually go away and now you've thrown in more new variables to try to sort out. If your site is working and the features in the new version(s) have no value for you then don't upgrade but eventually sites need to be upgraded because server technology changes and your site may not run properly on your host's new configuration.

In this case, you chose to upgrade to try to solve a problem so let's see if we can solve your root problem.

Mis-behaving toolbars are usually caused by some JavaScript on the page crashing before the toolbar gets a chance to render. If you are using Chrome, put your page in Edit Mode and right click anywhere on the page and choose 'Inspect Element'. Click on the 'Console' tab and see if there are any red errors showing up. That will be your first clue as to what's wrong.

If I had to guess, I'm thinking it's a 3rd party script such as a tracking script that's gone bad.
mhawke replied on at Permalink Best Answer Reply
mhawke
I would try turning off Cloudflare services in your host's Control Panel and see if that helps.

I also see tracking100.com scripts and 'addthisedge.com' scripts which are not particularly reputable and some of them are not loading properly. From how you speak about your site, it doesn't sound like you added this stuff yourself. Any idea how these scripts got into your pages?
pdxscott replied on at Permalink Reply
pdxscott
Hey thanks buddy,

I didn't want to upgrade to a newer version but some of my add-ons seemed to have stopped working, but the main part was that the page editing toolbar at the top was gone. So I upgraded to a newer version and still no toolbar. I don't know how tracking100.com got on there, but I also don't know how to delete it, I put the add this toolbar on there and it's never given me problems.

So here's how I fixed it...(and you were correct by the way!)

1) Access Cloudflare through my host cPanel and put CloudFlare into developer mode (running some audits in debug mode in chrome told me certain .js functions were not loading and there were a few other hints in there all related to cloud flare)

2) Disable Cloudflare through my host control panel.

3) Re-enable CloudFlare and ta-dah, it's there.

Thanks for the respnose and thanks for having my back with saying it's not a ridiculous question. I'll be responding to said person right now.

Take care and have a great weekend!

Scott
concrete5russia replied on at Permalink Reply
concrete5russia
Every new version make the product better. All OS, different programms, components must produce new versions to increase safety, add some new abilities. That is why it is very bad idea to create version which will never updates.
C5LABS replied on at Permalink Reply
C5LABS
No disrespect but that's the most ridiculous question I have heard in the past few years an I have heard a lot :)
Where talking about software not a brick wall, even the last one you still need to fix .
mhawke replied on at Permalink Reply
mhawke
It's not a ridiculous question. Do you personally have to upgrade Twitter or Linkedin? These are all SaaS products that are being continuously upgraded so we don't have to.
C5LABS replied on at Permalink Reply
C5LABS
No, but their not open source either.
His question his the same, like asking for a car that does not need fuel.
Updates or anything that improves an application is always welcome.
Don't touch the site, never upgrade and he will be fine.
Concrete5 is the best suited cms for non developers that I know.
frz replied on at Permalink Reply
frz
It sounds like something else went on with his site.

Yes, of course, if you don't upgrade the core and you don't run updates on any of the add-ons - everything with your concrete5 site should remain the same. So the premise of his question is false.

From what other people have found out it looks like some garbly javascript has infact been added to his site, so chances are his web host or his own computer has some malware on it that caused stuff to stop working.

Just for clarity:
NO we do not change your concrete5 site without you actively doing something. Not only do I agree that would be a bad idea, but we're actually technically incapable of doing that today - by design.

So one might even answer his original question of:
"when will concrete5 make it so I never have to update a version again?"

with.. "Yes. That's what we do today."
pdxscott replied on at Permalink Reply
pdxscott
No disrespect taken my friend. I don't really care what anyone thinks about me especially someone on an internet site. I started working in the internet industry in 1993 while I was still in high school in San Jose and Mountain View. Because I was fortunate to be at the right place at the right time I've been retired since 1999, I was 23 years old when that happened. I did it without ever learning much more than html, was in biz dev and sold the companies I helped my co-founders create so we had hundreds of developers....they're still working. I'm an entrepreneur at the core so I'll never really be retired, but I certainly make a lot more money on a 10% commission from selling a million dollar auto repair shop than I would being a web developer. I have several but the business brokerage firm is my passion at this time until I start another software company (again will never write a line of code in my life.

Personally, I would be asleep in two seconds being a developer, a visionary that starts and sell companies just fits me better). So is it really ridiculous for let's say the corner store market to want to have a single page home page website that exists cause they feel they should have one cause it's 21st century but they have no desire or need to ever upgrade it and if they did upgrade it it would take their time away from doing business development on their actual business. They don't make money from the website, all the residents surrounding this convenience store know it exists, so it may be a ridiculous question to you, but I think my track record speaks for itself that I know how to make use of my time.

Unfortunately I chose Concrete 5 which is so not user friendly. I'm a pretty smart tech savvy person and it took a really long time to learn this. It makes Drupal, Joomla, and Word Press look like you're playing legos, when Concrete 5 is trying to solve 2 rubic's cubes at the same.

**** Addendum, I shouldn't have said "unfortunately" I chose Concrete 5. Concrete 5 rules, I love it now that I know it and it is head and shoulders above all other CMS platforms. When you're not a developer though and you change one little thing and everything breaks and sometimes it's a host issue, and sometimes it could be anything, but it's just frustrating when all you really want is for something to work =).

Scott
Portand, OR
KempirePacific.com
C5LABS replied on at Permalink Reply
C5LABS
No need to bring your life journey to the post.

"Unfortunately I chose Concrete 5 which is so not user friendly. I'm a pretty smart tech savvy person and it took a really long time to learn this. It makes Drupal, Joomla, and Word Press look like you're playing legos, when Concrete 5 is trying to solve 2 rubic's cubes at the same."

Where did you get that from?
VidalThemes replied on at Permalink Reply
VidalThemes
Hi Scott,

Just wanted to give you my perspective on something you said:

"So is it really ridiculous for let's say the corner store market to want to have a single page home page website that exists cause they feel they should have one cause it's 21st century but they have no desire or need to ever upgrade it and if they did upgrade it it would take their time away from doing business development on their actual business. They don't make money from the website, all the residents surrounding this convenience store know it exists"

Personally I would never sell Concrete5 as a solution to this set of circumstances, if a small local business just need a 2/3 page site that says "hey, here we are come visit us in localtown!" I wouldnt give them a 3000 file CMS as its obviously way beyond what they need, in fact, it would probably be detrimental to what they are trying to achieve, I would recommend people with those needs to have a static site, plain and simple, if I want to knock in a nail I dont hire a JCB, tools fit for purpose, and the same goes with the web. A small local webshop would be able to put together a decent looking site on a small budget, thats where I would recommend your hypothetical grocers to go.

Regards

David
Arequal replied on at Permalink Reply
Arequal
That will happen the day the people quit downloading and deploying C5. Until that time, I'd rather C5's boys have an active development of the product in the same way they have now.